Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Clueless cleaning company

For an entire month, I've been reminding them that one of the main jobs of the person helping us with our Passover cleaning is to clean the oven with Easy-Off. This is the only time of the year that I use a toxic cleaner.

So they send over a cleaning person who sprays Easy-Off in the oven--and promptly gets too sick from the fumes to work. Let me get this straight: You knew that cleaning the oven was one of the main requirements for this assignment--and you sent a cleaner with asthma?! Dudes and dudettes, I have asthma, which is one of the reasons why I hired someone else to clean the oven!

Fortunately, a more intelligent scheduler tells the sick cleaner to trade assignments with another cleaner, who arrives about an hour later, finding my husband with his head in the oven, literally, since we were afraid to leave the Easy-Off on the oven surfaces until the second cleaner's originally-scheduled arrival time four hours later. The second cleaner does a wonderful job, even volunteering to have a go at the stove with a toothbrush(!), and even manages the amazing feat of getting all the shelves and bins, post-scrubbing, back into the refrigerator without instructions. All's well that ends well. I'm quite relieved that my poor husband doesn't have to abandon his tax-return preparation for too long to lend a hand.

But this is at least the second year in a row that one of this company's cleaners came to do Passover cleaning unprepared to use Easy-Off. We'll probably just do the job ourselves once my husband retires--he can do the oven cleaning and the heavy lifting (to spare my bad wrists), and I'll put all the appliances away and foil up the 'fridge and counter tops.


Anonymous rivkayael said...

I'm cleaning the oven with baking soda. The point of cleaning then waiting 24h is to allow all absorbed tastes to become "lifgam" (disgusting) and not liable to treifing up your stuff. Many homes have small children and not enough money to hire help for babysitting, and it's not safe to use stuff like easy off around little ones and pets.

If you are worried that baking soda is not "bad tasting" enough (because it is edible), use baking soda and go over the oven again with dishwashing liquid.

Wed Apr 13, 06:33:00 PM 2011  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

Baking soda cleans ovens well enough for Pesach?! Maybe we'll try that method next year, especially since we use baking soda to clean everything else in the kitchen for Pesach. Thanks for the tip, RivkaYael.

Honestly, I hate using environmental pollutants for cleaning. I use baking soda for cleaning the bathroom all the time. Also, I don't know whether it's kosher for Passover, but Bon Ami *Polishing* Cleanser (not their regular cleanser) is OU kosher for the rest of the year and is environmentally friendly, containing no chlorine, perfume, or dye. I generally use that or baking soda in the kitchen, along with a minimal-impact dish detergent (usually Seventh Generation, which is also OU kosher during the rest of the year and free of dye, perfume, and toxins).

Wed Apr 13, 06:56:00 PM 2011  
Anonymous rivkayael said...

Well I keep my oven fairly clean throughout the year :). Someone advised me (on the first year I was prepping the kitchen for pesach on my own) to check the oven motzei shabbat for major spills before they became out of control. That's what I do most times. I also line the bottom of the oven with foil to catch drips during the year.

Wed Apr 13, 07:12:00 PM 2011  
Blogger chava said...

When you move, you will get a modern oven that is self-cleaning and does not require easy-off. The self-cleaning cycle is so hot, nothing can survive it.

Wed Apr 13, 10:41:00 PM 2011  
Anonymous Woodrow/Conservadox said...

Or you could just get a roaster oven or two (or more, depending on how many people you are cooking for) for every Pesach.

Thu Apr 14, 12:47:00 AM 2011  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

" . . . check the oven motzei shabbat [Saturday night after Sabbath] for major spills before they became out of control. . . . line the bottom of the oven with foil to catch drips during the year."

Those are two great pieces of advice. Thanks, RivkaYael! I don't know why I never thought of those myself. So much for the old saying that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." :)

"When you move, you will get a modern oven . . . "

I hope so, Chaya, but when we move, we'll get whatever oven comes with the apartment we rent, for better or for worse.

"Or you could just get a roaster oven or two . . ."

Nu, Woodrow, what's the point when we have to kasher the oven anyway? We can't exactly wrap it up in a plastic bag and/or stash it in a cabinet during Pesach and considered it sold with the chametz.

Thu Apr 14, 11:44:00 AM 2011  
Anonymous rivkayael said...

Tape off your oven and sell the chametz that is absorbed in the walls of the oven--designate your oven as a chametz storing area in the form. I'm serious. (you don't sell your dishes during pesach--you sell the absorbed chametz. if you sell your dishes, you have to tovel them again after pesach because you are re-acquiring them from a non-Jewish source.)

Thu Apr 14, 11:59:00 AM 2011  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

Wow, I would certainly never thought of that idea. Thanks, RivkaYael.

On the other hand, what would we do about the stovetop? Could we still cook on the top of the stove during Pesach if the oven contained in the same stove is off-limits?

Thu Apr 14, 12:48:00 PM 2011  
Anonymous rivkayael said...

Probably yes (our rabbi told us that we can kasher them separately). Stuff from the oven doesn't get onto the stove.

Thu Apr 14, 03:26:00 PM 2011  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

I guess you're right about the stove/oven "division of labor."

Thu Apr 14, 04:39:00 PM 2011  
Anonymous jdub said...

you can't sell the chametz in your oven. it's not edible. If something is "lo ra'ui l'achilat kelev" (i.e., not fit for a dog to eat) then it isnt chametz. Burnt on shmutz in your oven, assuming you can scrape the big chunks off (ew) isn't chametz. I'm not saying you could cook in it, but you could certainly close it off for pesach without cleaning if you aren't planning on using it.

Fri Apr 15, 08:35:00 AM 2011  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

JDub, thanks for the information. Unfortunately, a) there seem to be questions about whether or not a microwave can be kashered for Pesach and (b) we can't use the microwave on Yom Tov, according to the view that, on Yom Tov, electricity can't be used unless it's turned on in advance. So we'll be using the oven much more often than we usually do. (Normally, we're great fans of microwave cooking.)

Fri Apr 15, 11:14:00 AM 2011  
Blogger Geoffrey said...

"you don't sell your dishes during pesach--you sell the absorbed chametz"

1) I second jdub's comment.
2) From

"Concerning pieces of chametz smaller than a kezayis, according to Shulchan Aruch (442:11) there is no obligation to check for crumbs that are smaller than a kezayis (see Gra 442:11; Peri Megadim, Eshel Avraham 12 in the name of Kesef Mishnah). Mishnah Berurah (442:33), however, cites the opinion of poskim who are stringent in this regard, and obligate checking for pieces even smaller than a kezayis. Moreover, according to Chazon Ish (116:13) even Shulchan Aruch agrees to this, and is only lenient concerning crumbs that are stuck to the sides of a vessel."

Ergo, even according to the strict opinion that goes beyond Shulchan Aruch, you don't have to worry about residue in your unkashered vessels.

Fri Apr 15, 01:08:00 PM 2011  
Blogger Geoffrey said...

Um, actually my "ergo" doesn't make sense, but the point remains: don't worry about it.

Fri Apr 15, 01:10:00 PM 2011  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

Geoffrey, not worrying about it is an excellent idea. Thanks for the information.

I'll be leaving for home in a few minutes, and joining my husband (who has no Friday classes to teach) in working on kashering the kitchen, etc. In case I get too busy to get back online, I wish all of my readers a Pesach Kasher v'Sameach (a Kosher and Happy Passover). Shabbat Shalom ([have a] Peaceful Sabbath).

Fri Apr 15, 01:47:00 PM 2011  
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Tue Feb 21, 12:18:00 PM 2017  
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كما نقدم خدمات الكشف عن تسربات المياه وتسليك المجارى وشفط البيارات ولدينا فنيين صرف صحى متخصصين فى الكشف عن التسربات باحدث الطرق والامكانيات المتطورة ولمعرفة المزيد عن خدمات الشركة اتبع هذا الرابط
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وللاستعلام عن اى شى اخر يرجى الاتصال بخدمة العملاء لدينا


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